Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

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nkristian
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Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 02.02.2017 12:16:21

Hi. Me and my wife are living in an apartment in Denmark. It is about 75 square meters and there is one other person living here as well. Is that problematic when applying for a residence permit for my wife to live with me here after the EU laws? If someone could give me some info about housing requirements that would be lovely. (I checked this link viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3705 but it does not say anything about living in an apartment, with your own room, and where a second person has their own room etc.) Anyone?

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af skaanebo » 02.02.2017 17:55:58

3 grown-ups should not be a problem, provided you don't all share the same common room.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 03.02.2017 13:01:32

As in all sleep in the same common room or what u mean??

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af skaanebo » 03.02.2017 15:39:06

Yes, unless the third person is a small child, having your own private bedroom would suffice.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 06.02.2017 23:50:21

Ok, so the situation just became more complicated...As noted, I want my non-EU wife to live in Denmark with me as a family member but Statsforvaltningen has asked us to comment on why there is 2 other people CPR-registered here.

First of all, it turns out that we are now 4 people total registered as living in this apartment. In truth, it is just me and my wife who lives here on a day to day basis. The landlord comes to pick up mail etc. The fourth person lives in the basement, illegally it turns out...However, that fourth person is officially registered to the apartment we live in.

Second, it turns out that the apartment is 80 square meters (not 75). It has two bedrooms, one living room, one bathroom and one kitchen. Me and my wife use one of the bedrooms, of course, while the other bedroom is reserved for the landlord.

Me and my wife was not informed about this and have done nothing wrong. However, this is an issue. We do not want to rat out our landlord either, because then what is to stop him from evicting us?

Can anyone please help us figure out what to do in this case? Is it sufficient for 4 people to live on 80 square meters? Or can we say, that the landlord and the person living illigally downstairs share the other bedroom in the apartment or something (that would suggest that they are gay, but who cares)? Any help would be greatly appreciated - we have been seriously unlucky to find ourselves in this predicament. :(

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 07.02.2017 13:02:14

Perhaps it is a difficult situation to give legal advice, given the illegality involved. If so, can someone inform me on a general basis what housing requirements there are after the EU rules of permit when I want my wife to join me? We found this https://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_ ... rement.htm where it says at least 20 square meters per person. Does these guidelines also apply to the EU rules?

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af skaanebo » 07.02.2017 13:10:33

No, the 20 square meter requirement does not apply to EU laws.

As long as you have managed to be registered at the address at Borgerservice, there is nothing to worry about.

Simply explain the situation as it is and that your landlord uses one room and rents out the basement.

If your landlord gets in trouble for that it is not really your concern. But most likely, nothing will come of it.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 07.02.2017 14:22:32

Appreciated. I hope it works out.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 07.02.2017 15:06:23

skaanebo skrev:As long as you have managed to be registered at the address at Borgerservice, there is nothing to worry about.
Sorry, but my wife (whom is a lot smarter than I am) just pointed out: When you say "you" do you mean me as an EU-citizen or me and my wife?

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af skaanebo » 07.02.2017 15:25:08

You as the EU citizen AND your wife. You can both register at Borgerservice. As the family member of an EU citizen your wife does not need to wait for her residence card to arrive before asking to be registered at the address and obtain a CPR number.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 08.02.2017 12:46:20

Thanks for previous replies. We tried to register my wife today but Borgerservice would not register her without a finalized document in regard to her legal immigration status.

We also spoke with Statsforvaltningen. And I don't get it. I have already been registered as an EU/EEA or Swiss national with the right to reside in Denmark - I have written confirmation and proof of this. However, when I asked why they were asking about our housing situation (which they did in regard to my wife's application for a residence document) I was told that they need to make sure that my stay here is real, especially since I am not working or studying here. But is it not too late to look at that now? And in fact, brining my wife with me, surely, must be compelling evidence that my stay is very real indeed?

Or are they phrasing themselves wrong, are they wondering about the reality of my wife's stay in Denmark? And if so, is that really any of their business? In any case, Statsforvaltningen was going to contact the CPR-office and see if someone can stay in the basement, so I guess our days here are numbered anyhow seeing how we probably will have a falling out with our landlord. :(

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af mh » 08.02.2017 13:13:16

Contact and become member of LLO, the tenants organisation asap. They can help you with the probable conflict with your landlord. Most likely he wanted a substantial deposit, which he will be more than reluctant to return.

http://llo.dk

Then go hunting for any other accomodation, where you may register. It can be anything, from a house-boat to a mansion, a studio or shared housing will suffice, as long as you have your own room, where you can lock the door and have privacy. Depending on where in DK it should be, you may be able to dig up something already this or next week. Don't be choosy, it is a temporary solution.

https://www.akutbolig.dk
http://www.dba.dk/boliger/lejebolig/
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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 08.02.2017 15:21:25

Luckily for us, we had some good news. Statsforvaltningen just called me and said that they would send my wife's residence permit in the mail today - we are extremely relieved by that. Whether the case with a tenant in the basement is pursued further, I do not know. I hope not, so we won't have any issues with our landlord.

Now it is just about getting my wife registered at Borgerservice. I have no idea if they will allow it or not, given the information above. Any ideas? We are so tired and sleep deprived from all the worrying and uncertainty about our case...

We truly appreciate all your inputs.

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af mh » 09.02.2017 06:05:24

Just go show the residence card, then they will give her a cpr.number (social security and identification number in one). She will receive a card with the number 5 - 10 days later.
mh

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Re: Housing requirements EU residence permit for family

Indlæg af nkristian » 10.08.2017 11:07:23

Reviving this little post because I now have a further question. We are still living in Denmark and planning to stay here for a while longer. But I am still wondering about how many people that can be CPR-registered and live at the same address? This place is actually 80 square meters with 2 bedrooms and 1 livingroom. I saw something about max 2 people per room and then there is something else about 1 person per 20 square meters. Not sure what is right, which one is? How many people can legally stay here?

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